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    Re: Cevap: Re: Cevap: Re: Tourist spearfishing license ?

    Wow, if you are correct this is the best news I see this year !!!!
    If the explanation in article 4, 2 is for line fishing only I AM FREE !!!
    I want to do ONLY spearfishing and nothing else. I hate scuba, line fishing etc .... I like only spearfishing.
    I am even ready to pay double price for my turkish license, but to feel safety after I meet alone the sea police.

    Ok let imagine one situation:
    1. I am with valid license.
    2. I am with small 3 meters long inflatable boat with 10ps engine and use it only to reach a spot on the beach which is not reachable with car
    3. The spot and around is mot military, historical or protected zone
    4. On the boat have only spearguns, neoprene, fins, etc ...all to make spearfishing only. Nothing for line fishing!
    5. I am alone
    The sea police stop me.
    Am I rightful, 100% legal, or not?
    "Be gentle with the earth."
    Dalai Lama

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    Alıntı Zıpırkıncı Nickli Üyeden Alıntı Mesajı göster
    One another thing is, no one is used to see such configuration, single Tourist+boat+spearfishing? If you do these, you will be a part of very complex structure
    Hahaha . You are killing me my friend, it is really very funny situation .

    Alıntı Zıpırkıncı Nickli Üyeden Alıntı Mesajı göster
    You had better get my mobile phone in case of problem, like 911 rescue operator..!
    Thank you ! This is really great ! I highly appreciate this my friend. I think that is better to bring you now 2 may be 3 bottles of mastika, because I am very happy I find you
    I will send you my gsm number by private message.

    Regarding your offer for the boat - this is cool . I also don't like to dive alone, because this is danger.

    Alıntı Zıpırkıncı Nickli Üyeden Alıntı Mesajı göster
    Now I think it is my turn to to ask a question..!
    Are you Bulgarian Spearfishing Champ as stated in link below,
    World Championship 2002 - Definitive Results
    I think, your answer is YES.
    NO my friend ! Believe me. Look when I am born - year 1965. I am 43 years old man . I even don't know this man with same name, but 100% he is max 25-30 years old.
    I do spearfishing only for fun. This is my hobby. I never participated on competitions. Yes I am invited many times, but I don't like to kill for present, this is not me.
    Look my motto "Be gentle with the earth." - yes this is me

    And I am not so good spearo. My limit is 20 meters max deep. I still learning the fishes in Mediterranean sea, what they like, where they live, how to catch them, ....
    "Be gentle with the earth."
    Dalai Lama

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    hi bro. i wanna learn something about bulgaria's spearfishing equipments prize??

    my friend is studing in varna he can help me to buy. thx for yor helps. please write soon...
    01/07/1987
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    hi bro. i wanna learn something about bulgaria's spearfishing equipments prize??
    my friend is studing in varna he can help me to buy. thx for yor helps. please write soon...
    Hi Berk !

    You on the correct place
    Look this online shop Vidrax Fishing Tackles Online Shop
    The owner is my biggest friend. Just choose all what you need and I can arrange all.
    "Be gentle with the earth."
    Dalai Lama

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    Hi Berk !

    You on the correct place
    Look this online shop Vidrax Fishing Tackles Online Shop
    The owner is my biggest friend. Just choose all what you need and I can arrange all.

    ohh dude thats what i search!!! thx u 2 much..
    01/07/1987
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    Hey guys!
    I am also following this topic with great attention. I'd be happy to see the new Regulation translated.

    Berk, you can also check this Bulgarian store: SpearFish DiveStore

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    Great !!! Thank you my friend !
    I suppose the new regulation will be the same, regarding the licenses.
    If you read "Amateur Fisheries Tourism Permit" articles 5 and 6 you will see that I can't dive alone and I need only 1 document - "Guest Amateur Fisherman’s Document", but "With the company of persons who have the Amateur Fishing Tourism License in inland waters and with boats at sea." which mean I and every tourist is little bit f***ed .

    I hope in the new regulation this part regarding "the company of person" to be removed.
    Hi Spear.

    I've been reading this thread with great interest as I by sheer co-incidence have been trying to clarify all this for some time. I will be going to Marmaris area in June.

    Last month (February) I actually RANG the KKGM (MARA in English, Ministry of Agriculture and Rural Affairs) and spoke to the Manager of the Fisheries Department (got his number/e-mail address from the KKGM website). He put me onto a guy who spoke very good English who had worked in England.

    I told him I was wanting to spearfish just a few yards from the coastline alone without a boat and asked him was this O.K./did I need a licence? He said yes no problem and that I just had to get one of these 3-day fishing stamps from the Marmaris Local District Agricultural Directorate. I asked again was he sure that I could just spearfish alone and he led me to believe it was O.K.

    Anyhow last week (March), I sent him an e-mail to ask him whether I needed to bring a passport photo for the stamp (I guessed from the example in the KKGM document that I didn't but I just wanted to make sure). I ALSO ASKED HIM TO CONFIRM WHAT HE HAD SAID LAST MONTH and now he told me what I had originally feared in February, i.e. that I need to do it under the presence of one of these Amateur Fishing Tourist Guides i.e. he had changed his tune.

    I replied saying that I didn't think that it was consistent with what the documents say on the website. The one quoted earlier on page 3 of this thread is the 2007 English version describing the rules for amateur sport fishing which includes the regs for Turkish citizens, foreigners permanently working in Turkey and us, foreign tourists. The 2008 English one isn't available yet, but it's available in Turkish via http://www.kkgm.gov.tr/teblig/2008-49.html

    I can't verbally speak very much Turkish, but I can translate to some degree and I have translated the relevant section for foreign tourists, but maybe any Turk reading (e.g. Mustafa Kurt) could just confirm my attempted translation.

    As far as I can see there's essentially no difference, but the text has been massaged a bit.

    The two sections are as follows :-

    (2) a) İçsularımızda veya denizlerimizde tekne ile avlanmak isteyen yabancı amatör balıkçılar, amatör balıkçılık turizm iznine sahip olanlar vasıtasıyla ve avlanma pulu almak suretiyle avlanabilirler.
    Foreign (tourist) amateur fishermen wanting to go hunting in our inland waters or on a boat in our seas can hunt by means of those possessing an amateur fishing torurism permit and by way of buying a hunting stamp.

    b) Yabancı turist amatör balıkçılar; herhangi bir izin, belge veya avlanma pulu almaksızın; amatör balık avcılığı derneklerinin sportif balık avcılığı yarışmaları kapsamında ya da denizlerimizde sadece karadan olmak ve Tebliğde geçen kurallara uymak kaydı ile avlanabilirler.
    Foreign tourist amateur fishermen; can hunt without getting any permission, document or hunting stamp; within the scope of sporting fishing hunting competitions of amateur fish hunting competitions or in our seas only from the land on condition they conform with the latest rules in this notification.


    I got back in touch with the English speaker at the KKGM. I said that the first paragraph (2) a) says that if tourists want to fish in inland waters OR ON A BOAT ON THE SEA, then they need a guide + stamp. I said this did NOT include my situation where I want to fish in the sea WITHOUT a boat, so on that basis I could't agree with him given what this document actually says .

    I then said 'Do you understand why I'm continuing to question this? Thing is I want to spearfish right next to the coastline and it's paragraph (2) b) that really covers my situation as I'm using no boat and it's the equivalent of 'spearfishing off the land'. And besides surely no guide is needed if I'm spearfishing in shallow water which would be consistent with paragraph 2 (a) not including my situation.'

    He just repeated that any foreign tourist wanting to spearfish (i.e. actually go into the water, whether with a boat or not) would need to do it under a guide.

    Question is why does paragraph 2 a) go out of its way to say WITH A BOAT? Is it because they're only thinking about fishermen with rod and line and they've forgotten that spearos don't need a boat to be in/on the water. Also what do they actually mean by 'fishing from the land'. The KKGM think/say it means still having contact with the land i.e. not actually on or in the water. Thing is I only want to spearo near to the shore rocks in exactly the same water as the local anglers. So they can do it for free but I in spearo gear fishing in exactly the same area of water have to have a guide with me. It's just silly.

    Anyway it appears to be the same old problem with bureaucratic institutions, the people who answer the phone aren't the geezers who actually decide the rules.

    Where on earth do you find a Amateur Fishing Tourist Guide for spearfishermen? Do they have to be in the water with you? Do they even exist? I have last year in fact talked to a guy in Marmaris who takes out fishermen (i.e. who use rod and line) out on his boat for daily trips and he gets a fishing-stamp for each of the fishermen with him.

    I've not given up. I'm going to recontact the KKGM soon.
    Turunc.

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    Hi Spear.
    ............
    I've not given up. I'm going to recontact the KKGM soon.
    Turunc.
    Hi Turunc!

    Sorry for my late response, but I just see your post.
    I still looking for legal way to get this dream license. If you find any solution I will be very thankful you to share it with me.
    Seems many tourists read this theme, because I have every week few private messages with question whether I finally find the way.
    "Be gentle with the earth."
    Dalai Lama

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    Hi spear.

    I'm afraid things are still as I said i.e. that foreign tourist spearos need to spear in the attendance of an Amateur Fishing Tourist Guide.

    I've just come back from Turkey. The local 'fishing trip' shop in Icmeler just looked at me blankly when I said do you organise spearfishing trips - which didn't surprise me.

    Having said that having just google'd this morning, I've found a holiday firm in Turkey who organise spearo trips to Kekova and sort out an official Amateur Fishing Tourist Guide. They mention how they have to keep renewing the 3-day 15 YTL stamp so it does appear that some guys are abiding by these very rules.

    turunc.

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    So, the new season 2010 just started and the things are still the same. We, the tourists, still dream to get valid spearfishing license for Turkey, to dive alone without guide, with boat or without boat as is in every Mediterranean country.
    Our family vacation will be again in Greece, there the license cost 30 euro for 2 years and is same like this one which is for the citizens, no difference. This mean that the next 2000 euro will go to Greece not in Turkey ...
    "Be gentle with the earth."
    Dalai Lama

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